He did not mention any prohibition against teaching the Copernican theory as an hypothesis.

You’re missing the point: which was that he understood the tentative nature of scientific theories better than Galileo did. Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world. Those inconvenient facts are deliberately omitted in grade school and high school scientific education, or if not so, everyone is so ignorant about them they don’t even know enough to suppress the embarrassing information. 5. So you can cite one or two Catholics against my opinion; I cite Jewish philosophers of science Popper and Kuhn against yours. Use of and/or registration on any portion of this site constitutes acceptance of our, open to the science but cautioned against changing the Church’s teaching on the matter without scientific proof, fired from his job as a data analyst with Civis Analytics in June as he came under pressure from an online religious mob, the orthodox are given passes on their bad behavior.

You goal seems to be to follow every line of thought that makes Bellarmine an anti-scientific idiot in, states: “Cardinal Bellarmine was willing to countenance scientific truth if it could be proven or demonstrated . The question is, however, whether either of them condemned the doctrine ex cathedra. . Galileo was a very good Catholic.

Oxford Bibliographies: “Cardinal Bellarmine” by Stefania Tutino, states: Brodrick, James. That doesn’t overcome my immediate point here. Galileo produced Cardinal Bellarmine’s affidavit that he, Galilieo at his first deposition before the Inquisition had not been required to abjure any false doctrine and had not been given any penance. St. Robert Bellarmine was to Pius V what Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was to Pope John Paul II: in charge of the Holy Office and chief theologian. Clearly they disagree over what the observations imply; which may be a question of standards of proof, but in fact from Bellarmine’s letter to Foscarini it’s clear that Bellarmine is almost completely closed to the idea of an observational proof of heliocentrism (he discusses it as a possibility, but then goes on at length about how heavily the scriptural considerations weigh against it, which is of course a completely non-scientific (even anti-scientific) attitude. But Bellarmine didn’t show any such willingness; to the contrary, he fully concurred with the 1616 decision of Paul V to suppress heliocentrism as being contrary to Scripture, thus staking the reputation of the church on the issue.

If he was a geocentrist, he was wrong.

. Or how puberty blockers and gender reassignment surgery affect both children and the adults they will become. 2. . The Smithsonian even created an online exhibition in which “emphasis on the scientific method,” “cause and effect relationships” and thinking that is “objective” and “rational” were deemed to be “aspects and assumptions of whiteness and white culture in the United States.”. He held that the entire universe revolved around the sun in circular (not elliptical) orbits, and that tides were caused by the rotation of the earth. See also my recent related post, The Galileo Fiasco & Catholic Infallibility. That’s not how [at least some] historians who have looked at it think. The miracle could not be seen as disproving a theory about those laws. Galileo Galilei, kneeling center, at his trial by the Inquisition in Rome in 1633. Galileo’s excessive dogmatism about heliocentrism was verified in the paper, “Theories of Scientific Method from Plato to Mach: A bibliographical review,” by L. Laudan, History of Science, Vol. An earlier version said he had dismissed the idea that they were caused by the Earth’s motion; in fact that was Galileo’s position. 7, p. 1-63 (1968); citation from p. 18: “Galileo was disposed to interpret the heliocentric system as a demonstrably true description of an actual state of affairs. Bellarmine by no means denied that strict demonstrations of what is “really” the case could be given in astronomical matters.

Image courtesy of Wellcome Library, London. philosopher of science Thomas Kuhn, in his book, Can it be said that either Paul V or Urban VIII so committed himself to the doctrine of geocentricism as to impose it upon the Church as an article of faith, and so to teach as pope what is now acknowledged to be untrue? Clavius, Copernicus, Galileo, Inquisition. . Kuhn nowhere in the cited text says or even implies that Bellarmine is a, You appear to have quite a closed mind on this. So, again, Kuhn wrote (my present bolding): “Like Bellarmine, they agreed that the phenomena were in the sky but denied that they proved Galileo’s contentions. Meanwhile, the orthodox are given passes on their bad behavior, at least if they are seen as keeping the faith. Bellarmine said the telescope didn’t prove heliocentrism, whereas Galileo said it did. Bellarmine and Galileo In 07 Observation on 2014/10/11 at 12:00 AM St. Robert Bellarmine was to Pius V what Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was to Pope John Paul II: in charge of the Holy Office … Thus, he is open-minded on that possibility (this also shows that there was leeway on the issue and that it wasn’t a matter of irreversible dogma) and the Catholic Church and Catholics have shown a full willingness to go where the science leads, in matters of science. I wrote in my book about science and Christianity: Bellarmine didn’t consider heliocentrism proven beyond all doubt, like Galileo did, and in that respect he was right.

Pope John Paul II apologized for the Church’s mistake, but the Holy Office had done so in 1825, and Galileo’s written works were permitted in 1741. God can override His laws when it serves His purposes (miracles of Christ).

But he was willing to do so in the pursuit of what is true. But my opinion as to what I commented upon is just as permissible or “respectable” based on various historical analyses, as yours is. This, it is clear, they never did.

Bellarmine had always shown great interest in the Galileo’s discoveries and frequently corresponded in friendship with him. But no bias on your end at all .

Galileo wasn’t told “don’t hold or teach heliocentrism until you have sufficient evidence”, he was told “don’t hold or teach heliocentrism, full stop”.

2. Change ).

Portrait of Cardinal Robert Bellarmine, circa 1622. Being wrong in science is an expected condition. All rights reserved. Heliocentrism wasn’t proven till 200 years later. Uh, I think every single source I’ve cited against you so far has been Catholic. He was the topic you brought up: i.e., his relation to scientific method. . 1. .”, Also, Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, in its article on Galileo, states: “Cardinal Bellarmine was willing to countenance scientific truth if it could be proven or demonstrated . The subsequent developments: when Galileo’s works were finally permitted to be published a century later, it was, 2. He refused even to concede that it was an hypothesis . (translated by George Coyne, published by University of Notre Dame) for those seeking a more reliable account of the Galileo affair without either the mythologizing or the apologetic whitewash.

. The words of Andrew G. will be in blue. That was my point about Bellarmine, and Kuhn supported it, while acknowledging that there were also anti-scientific fools and idiots in the Church. GALILEO E BELLARMINO. Indeed, his biographer Giorgio de Santillana stated that “It has been known for a long time that a major part of the church intellectuals were on the side of Galileo, while the clearest opposition to him came from secular ideas” (The Crime of Galileo, University of Chicago Press, 1955, xii-xiii). In his view, however, such demonstrations had to rest on “physical” considerations of the type used by Aristotle, not on the mathematical models of positional astronomy. Mitch Pacwa (audio), Follow EARLY CHURCH FATHERS on WordPress.com. What I have shown is that my opinion is one permissible one, backed up by sources that are non-Catholic. I am interested in all the facts: where the Church was wrong, where Galileo was, and where either got it right. In this, of course, they were quite right.”, Bellarmine said the telescope didn’t prove heliocentrism, whereas Galileo said it did.

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